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{{attack|B1 |All data compiled to date indicate that pandemic vaccines including Pandemrix match the excellent safety profile of seasonal influenza vaccines, which have been used for more than 60 years.The number of cases of side effects of H1N1 vaccines (including Pandemrix) is in line with normal background rates on a population basis.(European Medicines Agency.) --[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 11:12, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{attack|B1 |All data compiled to date indicate that pandemic vaccines including Pandemrix match the excellent safety profile of seasonal influenza vaccines, which have been used for more than 60 years.The number of cases of side effects of H1N1 vaccines (including Pandemrix) is in line with normal background rates on a population basis.(European Medicines Agency.) |--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 11:12, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="ecdc_qa">[http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/H1N1/vaccines/Pages/QA_health_professionals_vaccines.aspx European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC): Questions and answers]</ref>
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{{attack|# |According to THL's (Finnish National Institute for Health and Welfare) Vaccine Department's head, Dr. Terhi Kilpi,`the Pandemrix vaccine alone did not cause narcolepsy in Finnish children`.|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 09:51, 4 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{attack|B2 |The European Medicines Agency says that no link between the Pandemrix swine flu vaccine and narcolepsy has been established|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 12:17, 4 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref>[http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/09/eu_agency_no_link_between_pandemrix_and_narcolepsy_2006172.html YLE: EU agency does not find link between Pandemrix and narcolepsy]</ref>
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{{attack|B2 |Adjuvanted vaccines commonly provide a stronger immune response than unadjuvanted vaccines and also provide a broader immune response allowing for some potential drift of the influenza virus (Pandemrix is an adjuvanted vaccine).|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 11:12, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{attack|B3 |According to THL's (Finnish National Institute for Health and Welfare) Vaccine Department's head, Dr. Terhi Kilpi,`the Pandemrix vaccine alone did not cause narcolepsy in Finnish children`.|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 09:51, 4 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="rokotusinfo"/>
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{{attack|B4 |Adjuvanted vaccines commonly provide a stronger immune response than unadjuvanted vaccines and also provide a broader immune response allowing for some potential drift of the influenza virus (Pandemrix is an adjuvanted vaccine).|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 11:12, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="ecdc_qa"/>
  
 
{{attack|J1 |Despite risks, Pandemrix is an effective vaccine and has clearly net positive effects in countries where emergency treatment is poorly available for severe swine flu cases.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
 
{{attack|J1 |Despite risks, Pandemrix is an effective vaccine and has clearly net positive effects in countries where emergency treatment is poorly available for severe swine flu cases.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
  
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{{attack|B4 |No link to the vaccine has been established concerning the side effect.|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 11:20, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{attack|B5 |A positive effect of the vaccine can be felt from pregnant women, it gives immunization to the mother - to - be and the new born that is not eligible for vaccination until the age of six months. The adverse events reported so far have mainly been symptoms such as fever, nausea, headache, allergic reactions and injection site reactions, confirming the safety profile of the vaccine. The vaccine can even be given to breastfeeding mothers and this will reduce the chance that the infant will get influenza.|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 11:20, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="ecdc_qa"/>
  
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:{{comment|# |What is the different between B3 and B4? If there is no clear difference, they should be merged. If there is, it should be clarified.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:31, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{defend invalid|J2 |The reputation of Pandemrix is globally so poor that it is impossible to use it any more.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
  
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{{attack|B5 |A positive effect of the vaccine can be felt from pregnant women|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 11:20, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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:{{attack|B7 |Pandemrix vaccine was used in 38 countries worldwide during the 2009/2010 season. Increased cases of narcolepsy have been observed only in Finland, Iceland and Sweden (W.H.O). This I think makes its global reputation intact.|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 12:27, 4 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref>[http://www.euro.who.int/en/what-we-do/health-topics/disease-prevention/vaccines-and-immunization/news/news/2011/02/pandemrix-vaccine-and-increased-risk-of-narcolepsy WHO Europe]: Pandemrix® vaccine and increased risk of narcolepsy</ref>
  
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:{{comment|# |Can you be more specific? What do you mean by "can be felt from"? Does the vaccine make women feel better? Is it especially effective in pregnant women?|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:31, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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:{{defend|B6 |A total of 2300 Reports of Adverse Reactions From Pandemrix Vaccine have been reported in Sweden|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 12:10, 4 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref>[http://preventdisease.com/news/09/113009_2300_reports_adverse_reactions_sweden.shtml PreventDisease.com]: Total of 2300 Reports of Adverse Reactions From Pandemrix Vaccine in Sweden</ref>
  
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{{defend|J2 |The reputation of Pandemrix is globally so poor that it is impossible to use it any more.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{defend invalid|B8 |There maybe a conflict of interest in the approval of Pandemrix for swine flu vaccination in Finland|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 12:50, 4 April 2011 (EEST)}}
  
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:{{defend|J3 |In Finland, THL decided to stop the use of Pandemrix.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST), [http://www.thl.fi/fi_FI/web/fi/uutinen?id{{eq}}22930]}}
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:{{attack|B11 |According to Chancellor of Justice, Jaakko Jonkka, there's no direct [ evidence to support ] suspicion of bribery but there is a risky situation because the seller funds the buyer.|--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 12:57, 4 April 2011 (EEST) <ref name="rokotusinfo">[http://www.rokotusinfo.fi/english_html Rokotusinfo]</ref>}}
  
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:{{attack|B6 |So far any relationship between the vaccination and the reported symptoms (narcolepsy) can not be concluded. |--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 11:24, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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:{{defend|B9 |Vaccine Department's head at THL, Dr. Terhi Kilpi have a close relationship with GlaxoSmithKline, the manufactural of Pandemrix vaccine. |--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 12:50, 4 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="rokotusinfo"/>
  
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{{attack|B7 |According to Dr Kilpi, the most probable explanation for increase in children's narcolepsy in Finland is that narcolepsy was triggered by the Pandemrix vaccine together with something else. Dr Kilpi says that ongoing investigations aim to find out whether the other factor is genes, H1N1 virus, some other virus or something else. |--[[User:Oluyemitoyinbo|Oluyemitoyinbo]] 11:31, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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:{{comment|# |Who says an argument is a secondary thing, and this information should be given as a reference to the original source. However, if you want to strengthen your argument by saying that this argument is given by a real expert, then you should create a new defending argument about the expertise of the person who says it. (However, this kinds of arguments are weak and usually useless unless there is no substantive evidence at all.) The same applies to B3.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:31, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
 
  
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{{comment|# |General comment: Add links to the pages from where you found the arguments.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:31, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
 
{{comment|# |General comment: Add links to the pages from where you found the arguments.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:31, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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Latest revision as of 07:38, 6 April 2011

Pandemrix should not be used because of narcolepsy risk

Oluyemi, Bate

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Statements: Pandemrix should not be used any more anywhere because its narcolepsy risk is too high. NOTE! The time of the statement is September 2010.

Resolution: Not accepted because benefits are high and risks are small, uncertain and maybe caused by something else.

(A stable resolution, when found, should be updated to the main page.)

Argumentation:

⇤B1 : All data compiled to date indicate that pandemic vaccines including Pandemrix match the excellent safety profile of seasonal influenza vaccines, which have been used for more than 60 years.The number of cases of side effects of H1N1 vaccines (including Pandemrix) is in line with normal background rates on a population basis.(European Medicines Agency.) --Oluyemitoyinbo 11:12, 1 April 2011 (EEST) [1]

⇤B2 : The European Medicines Agency says that no link between the Pandemrix swine flu vaccine and narcolepsy has been established --Oluyemitoyinbo 12:17, 4 April 2011 (EEST) [2]

⇤B3 : According to THL's (Finnish National Institute for Health and Welfare) Vaccine Department's head, Dr. Terhi Kilpi,`the Pandemrix vaccine alone did not cause narcolepsy in Finnish children`. --Oluyemitoyinbo 09:51, 4 April 2011 (EEST) [3]

⇤B4 : Adjuvanted vaccines commonly provide a stronger immune response than unadjuvanted vaccines and also provide a broader immune response allowing for some potential drift of the influenza virus (Pandemrix is an adjuvanted vaccine). --Oluyemitoyinbo 11:12, 1 April 2011 (EEST) [1]

⇤J1 : Despite risks, Pandemrix is an effective vaccine and has clearly net positive effects in countries where emergency treatment is poorly available for severe swine flu cases. --Jouni 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)

⇤B5 : A positive effect of the vaccine can be felt from pregnant women, it gives immunization to the mother - to - be and the new born that is not eligible for vaccination until the age of six months. The adverse events reported so far have mainly been symptoms such as fever, nausea, headache, allergic reactions and injection site reactions, confirming the safety profile of the vaccine. The vaccine can even be given to breastfeeding mothers and this will reduce the chance that the infant will get influenza. --Oluyemitoyinbo 11:20, 1 April 2011 (EEST) [1]

←J2 The reputation of Pandemrix is globally so poor that it is impossible to use it any more. --Jouni 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)

⇤B7 : Pandemrix vaccine was used in 38 countries worldwide during the 2009/2010 season. Increased cases of narcolepsy have been observed only in Finland, Iceland and Sweden (W.H.O). This I think makes its global reputation intact. --Oluyemitoyinbo 12:27, 4 April 2011 (EEST) [4]
←B6 : A total of 2300 Reports of Adverse Reactions From Pandemrix Vaccine have been reported in Sweden --Oluyemitoyinbo 12:10, 4 April 2011 (EEST) [5]

←B8 There maybe a conflict of interest in the approval of Pandemrix for swine flu vaccination in Finland --Oluyemitoyinbo 12:50, 4 April 2011 (EEST)

⇤B11 : According to Chancellor of Justice, Jaakko Jonkka, there's no direct [ evidence to support ] suspicion of bribery but there is a risky situation because the seller funds the buyer. --Oluyemitoyinbo 12:57, 4 April 2011 (EEST) [3]
←B9 : Vaccine Department's head at THL, Dr. Terhi Kilpi have a close relationship with GlaxoSmithKline, the manufactural of Pandemrix vaccine. --Oluyemitoyinbo 12:50, 4 April 2011 (EEST) [3]
←B10 : GlaxoSmithKline has funded several THL's activities with millions of euros. --Oluyemitoyinbo 12:57, 4 April 2011 (EEST)


--# : General comment: Add links to the pages from where you found the arguments. --Jouni 07:31, 2 April 2011 (EEST)

See also

References

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC): Questions and answers
  2. ↑ YLE: EU agency does not find link between Pandemrix and narcolepsy
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 Rokotusinfo
  4. ↑ WHO Europe: Pandemrix® vaccine and increased risk of narcolepsy
  5. ↑ PreventDisease.com: Total of 2300 Reports of Adverse Reactions From Pandemrix Vaccine in Sweden
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