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{{attack|1 |Despite risks, Pandemrix is an effective vaccine and has clearly net positive effects in countries where emergency treatment is poorly available for severe swine flu cases.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
 
:{{attack|# |Side effects are still there and will be treated poorly in these countries|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
 
{{comment|# |The decision to use Pandemrix was probably led by panic and other choices should be considered at this point|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
 
::{{defend|# |Finland used a vaccination with additives, against the recommendation of WHO|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
 
:::{{branch|# |Additives can cause flu-like symptoms, increasing the public's opinion against vaccination|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
 
  
{{defend|2 |The reputation of Pandemrix is globally so poor that it is impossible to use it any more.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{attack_invalid|J1 |Despite risks, Pandemrix is an effective vaccine and has clearly net positive effects in countries where emergency treatment is poorly available for severe swine flu cases.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
  
{{defend|3 |In Finland, THL decided to stop the use of Pandemrix.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST), [http://www.thl.fi/fi_FI/web/fi/uutinen?id{{eq}}22930]}}
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:{{attack|D1 |Side effects are still there and will be treated poorly in these countries.|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{comment|D2 |The decision to use Pandemrix was probably led by panic and other choices should be considered at this point.|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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:{{comment|# |This is a valid comment. However, comments do not affect the outcome of a discussion. You might want to develop this into an attack or a defence.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:45, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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:{{defend|D3 |Finland used a vaccination with additives, against the recommendation of WHO|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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::{{branch|D4 |Additives can cause flu-like symptoms, increasing the public's opinion against vaccination|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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:::{{comment|# |Good usage of branches! However, branches do not affect the outcome of a discussion. You could use this branch also to defend J2 and then it would have an impact on this discussion.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:45, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{defend|J2 |The reputation of Pandemrix is globally so poor that it is impossible to use it any more.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{defend|J3 |In Finland, THL decided to stop the use of Pandemrix.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST), [http://www.thl.fi/fi_FI/web/fi/uutinen?id{{eq}}22930]}}
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{{attack|D5 |Pandemrix has a lower Hg content than other vaccines (2.5 vs 25 µg), which could cause other neurological problems in children|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
  
{{attack|# |Pandemrix has a lower Hg content than other vaccines (2.5 vs 25 µg), which could cause other neurological problems in children|--[[User:Carmen Gil|Carmen Gil]] 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}}
 
 
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{{comment|# |General comment: Add links to the pages from where you found the arguments. See Group E.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:45, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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*[http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2010/9789241599924_eng.pdf Evolution of a pandemic, World Health Organization (WHO), 2009 (Report)]
 
*[http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2010/9789241599924_eng.pdf Evolution of a pandemic, World Health Organization (WHO), 2009 (Report)]
 
*[http://www.rokotusinfo.fi/rokotteet/sikainfluenssa_html]
 
*[http://www.rokotusinfo.fi/rokotteet/sikainfluenssa_html]

Revision as of 04:45, 2 April 2011

Pandemrix should not be used because of narcolepsy risk

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Statements: Pandemrix should not be used any more anywhere because its narcolepsy risk is too high. NOTE! The time of the statement is September 2010.

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Argumentation:

J1 Despite risks, Pandemrix is an effective vaccine and has clearly net positive effects in countries where emergency treatment is poorly available for severe swine flu cases. --Jouni 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)

D1 : Side effects are still there and will be treated poorly in these countries. --Carmen Gil 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)

--D2 : The decision to use Pandemrix was probably led by panic and other choices should be considered at this point. --Carmen Gil 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)

--# : This is a valid comment. However, comments do not affect the outcome of a discussion. You might want to develop this into an attack or a defence. --Jouni 07:45, 2 April 2011 (EEST)
D3 : Finland used a vaccination with additives, against the recommendation of WHO --Carmen Gil 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)
D4 : Additives can cause flu-like symptoms, increasing the public's opinion against vaccination --Carmen Gil 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)
--# : Good usage of branches! However, branches do not affect the outcome of a discussion. You could use this branch also to defend J2 and then it would have an impact on this discussion. --Jouni 07:45, 2 April 2011 (EEST)

J2 : The reputation of Pandemrix is globally so poor that it is impossible to use it any more. --Jouni 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)

J3 : In Finland, THL decided to stop the use of Pandemrix. --Jouni 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST), [1]

D5 : Pandemrix has a lower Hg content than other vaccines (2.5 vs 25 µg), which could cause other neurological problems in children --Carmen Gil 11:25, 1 April 2011 (EEST)


--# : General comment: Add links to the pages from where you found the arguments. See Group E. --Jouni 07:45, 2 April 2011 (EEST)



--# : JUNE: I have your notebook. --Jouni 11:50, 1 April 2011 (EEST)