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== Pandemrix should not be used because of narcolepsy risk ==
 
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|Resolution= Not accepted mainly because risks are small and benefits high.
 
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{{attack|1 |Despite risks, Pandemrix is an effective vaccine and has clearly net positive effects in countries where emergency treatment is poorly available for severe swine flu cases.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
 
  
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{{defend|2 |The reputation of Pandemrix is globally so poor that it is impossible to use it any more.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
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{{attack|J1 |Despite risks, Pandemrix is an effective vaccine and has clearly net positive effects in countries where emergency treatment is poorly available for severe swine flu cases.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
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:{{attack|9 |The information supplied on the safety and effectiveness of three of the pandemic-influenza vaccines was considered complete enough for the Agency's Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use  to recommend their use outside a pandemic situation. |--[[User:Anna Kokkonen|Anna Kokkonen]] 11:10, 1 April 2011 (EEST),(http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/special_topics/general/general_content_000461.jsp&murl=menus/special_topics/special_topics.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac05801d7bfe&jsenabled=true)}}
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:{{defend|3 |In Finland, THL decided to stop the use of Pandemrix.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST), [http://www.thl.fi/fi_FI/web/fi/uutinen?id{{eq}}22930]}}
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{{defend invalid|J2 |The reputation of Pandemrix is globally so poor that it is impossible to use it any more.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}}
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::{{attack|6 |The vaccination used last year will most likely protect also against the possible swine flu epidemic of this year, although the virus has changed a bit.|--[[User:Sallamari Tynkkynen|Sallamari Tynkkynen]] 10:57, 1 April 2011 (EEST)[http://www.thl.fi/fi_FI/web/fi/uutinen?id{{=}}23692]}}
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:::{{defend|7 |Vaccination is a very good method of preventing swine flu infections.|--[[User:Sallamari Tynkkynen|Sallamari Tynkkynen]] 10:59, 1 April 2011 (EEST),[http://www.thl.fi/fi_FI/web/fi/uutinen?id{{=}}23692]}}
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:{{attack|E9 |The information supplied on the safety and effectiveness of three of the pandemic-influenza vaccines was considered complete enough for the Agency's Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use  to recommend their use outside a pandemic situation. |--[[User:Anna Kokkonen|Anna Kokkonen]] 11:10, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="emaswineflu">[http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/special_topics/general/general_content_000461.jsp&murl=menus/special_topics/special_topics.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac05801d7bfe&jsenabled=true European Medicines Agency (EMA)]: Information page on Swine flu</ref>
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:::{{defend|8 |WHO recommended that H1N1 virus strain be included in the seasonal flu vaccines for the 2009/2010 season, because H1N1 is still in circulation, but behaving like a seasonal flu virus. |--[[User:Anna Kokkonen|Anna Kokkonen]] 11:10, 1 April 2011 (EEST),[http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl{{=}}pages/special_topics/general/general_content_000461.jsp&murl=menus/special_topics/special_topics.jsp&mid{{=}}WC0b01ac05801d7bfe&jsenabled{{=}}true]}}
 
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:::{{defend|9 |The information supplied on the safety and effectiveness of three of the pandemic-influenza vaccines was considered complete enough for the Agency's Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use  to recommend their use outside a pandemic situation. |--[[User:Anna Kokkonen|Anna Kokkonen]] 11:10, 1 April 2011 (EEST),(http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/special_topics/general/general_content_000461.jsp&murl=menus/special_topics/special_topics.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac05801d7bfe&jsenabled=true)}}
 
  
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{{attack|4 |The side effects of Pandemrix have been accentuated, although the benefits are much more significant.|--[[User:Sallamari Tynkkynen|Sallamari Tynkkynen]] 10:50, 1 April 2011 (EEST)[http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/MTV3+Arkkiatri+moittii+sikainfluenssarokotteen+vastustajia/1135250236010]}}
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::{{comment|# |I am not sure if this is a convincing argument about reputation. However, you may want to create a new argument about the safety of Pandemrix, and then it would be defended by this argument.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 08:15, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
  
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{{attack|5 |Nursing staff in hospitals should be vaccinated; it is their responsibility as medical professionals.|--[[User:Sallamari Tynkkynen|Sallamari Tynkkynen]] 10:54, 1 April 2011 (EEST)http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/MTV3+Arkkiatri+moittii+sikainfluenssarokotteen+vastustajia/1135250236010}}
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:{{defend|J3 |In Finland, THL decided to stop the use of Pandemrix.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="thl20100825">[http://www.thl.fi/en_US/web/en/pressrelease?id=22930 THL press release 25 Aug 2010]</ref>
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{{attack|E6 |The vaccination used last year will most likely protect also against the possible swine flu epidemic of this year, although the virus has changed a bit.|--[[User:Sallamari Tynkkynen|Sallamari Tynkkynen]] 10:57, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="thl20101209">[http://www.thl.fi/fi_FI/web/fi/uutinen?id=23692 THL press release 9 Dec 2010]</ref>
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:{{comment|# |This may be true but what is the connection to the statement?|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 08:15, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
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:{{defend|E7 |Vaccination is a very good method of preventing swine flu infections.|--[[User:Sallamari Tynkkynen|Sallamari Tynkkynen]] 10:59, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="thl20101209"/>
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:{{defend|E8 |WHO recommended that H1N1 virus strain be included in the seasonal flu vaccines for the 2009/2010 season, because H1N1 is still in circulation, but behaving like a seasonal flu virus. |--[[User:Anna Kokkonen|Anna Kokkonen]] 11:10, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="emaswineflu"/>
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{{attack|E4 |The side effects of Pandemrix have been accentuated, although the benefits are much more significant.|--[[User:Sallamari Tynkkynen|Sallamari Tynkkynen]] 10:50, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="hsarkkiatri">[http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/MTV3+Arkkiatri+moittii+sikainfluenssarokotteen+vastustajia/1135250236010 Helsingin Sanomat]: Arkkiatri moittii sikainfluenssarokotteen vastustajia (in Finnish)</ref>
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{{attack|E5 |Nursing staff in hospitals should be vaccinated; it is their responsibility as medical professionals.|--[[User:Sallamari Tynkkynen|Sallamari Tynkkynen]] 10:54, 1 April 2011 (EEST)}} <ref name="hsarkkiatri"/>
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:{{comment|# |This may be true but what is the connection to the statement? Does this actually relate more to E4 than the main statement?|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 08:15, 2 April 2011 (EEST)}}
  
 
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==See also==
  
 
*[http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/special_topics/general/general_content_000461.jsp&murl=menus/special_topics/special_topics.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac05801d7bfe&jsenabled=true European Medicines Agency (EMA) information page on Swine flu]
 
*[http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/special_topics/general/general_content_000461.jsp&murl=menus/special_topics/special_topics.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac05801d7bfe&jsenabled=true European Medicines Agency (EMA) information page on Swine flu]
 
*[http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/MTV3+Arkkiatri+moittii+sikainfluenssarokotteen+vastustajia/1135250236010]
 
*[http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/MTV3+Arkkiatri+moittii+sikainfluenssarokotteen+vastustajia/1135250236010]
 
*[http://www.thl.fi/fi_FI/web/fi/uutinen?id=23692]
 
*[http://www.thl.fi/fi_FI/web/fi/uutinen?id=23692]
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Latest revision as of 08:26, 6 April 2011

Pandemrix should not be used because of narcolepsy risk

Anna, Sallamari

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Statements: Pandemrix should not be used any more anywhere because its narcolepsy risk is too high. NOTE! The time of the statement is September 2010.

Resolution: Not accepted mainly because risks are small and benefits high.

(A stable resolution, when found, should be updated to the main page.)

Argumentation:

⇤J1 : Despite risks, Pandemrix is an effective vaccine and has clearly net positive effects in countries where emergency treatment is poorly available for severe swine flu cases. --Jouni 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)

←J2 The reputation of Pandemrix is globally so poor that it is impossible to use it any more. --Jouni 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST)

⇤E9 : The information supplied on the safety and effectiveness of three of the pandemic-influenza vaccines was considered complete enough for the Agency's Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use to recommend their use outside a pandemic situation. --Anna Kokkonen 11:10, 1 April 2011 (EEST) [1]
--# : I am not sure if this is a convincing argument about reputation. However, you may want to create a new argument about the safety of Pandemrix, and then it would be defended by this argument. --Jouni 08:15, 2 April 2011 (EEST)
←J3 : In Finland, THL decided to stop the use of Pandemrix. --Jouni 23:05, 31 March 2011 (EEST) [2]

⇤E6 : The vaccination used last year will most likely protect also against the possible swine flu epidemic of this year, although the virus has changed a bit. --Sallamari Tynkkynen 10:57, 1 April 2011 (EEST) [3]

--# : This may be true but what is the connection to the statement? --Jouni 08:15, 2 April 2011 (EEST)
←E7 : Vaccination is a very good method of preventing swine flu infections. --Sallamari Tynkkynen 10:59, 1 April 2011 (EEST) [3]
←E8 : WHO recommended that H1N1 virus strain be included in the seasonal flu vaccines for the 2009/2010 season, because H1N1 is still in circulation, but behaving like a seasonal flu virus. --Anna Kokkonen 11:10, 1 April 2011 (EEST) [1]

⇤E4 : The side effects of Pandemrix have been accentuated, although the benefits are much more significant. --Sallamari Tynkkynen 10:50, 1 April 2011 (EEST) [4]

⇤E5 : Nursing staff in hospitals should be vaccinated; it is their responsibility as medical professionals. --Sallamari Tynkkynen 10:54, 1 April 2011 (EEST) [4]

--# : This may be true but what is the connection to the statement? Does this actually relate more to E4 than the main statement? --Jouni 08:15, 2 April 2011 (EEST)


See also

References

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 European Medicines Agency (EMA): Information page on Swine flu
  2. ↑ THL press release 25 Aug 2010
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 THL press release 9 Dec 2010
  4. ↑ 4.0 4.1 Helsingin Sanomat: Arkkiatri moittii sikainfluenssarokotteen vastustajia (in Finnish)
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