Difference between revisions of "Talk:Gasbus - health impacts of Helsinki bus traffic"
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* A PM2.5 emissions from other sources | * A PM2.5 emissions from other sources | ||
* B Overall PM2.5 concentration in Helsinki | * B Overall PM2.5 concentration in Helsinki | ||
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* D Exposure to bus-derived PM2.5 | * D Exposure to bus-derived PM2.5 | ||
* E Lung intake of bus-derived PM2.5 | * E Lung intake of bus-derived PM2.5 | ||
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|Argumentation = | |Argumentation = | ||
| − | {{defend| | + | {{defend|1|For A, B, C: We are not interested in non-bus-derived emissions.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:11, 18 February 2008 (EET)}}<br> |
| − | {{defend| | + | {{defend|2|For D, E: We don't need exposure or intake, because we have a concentration-response function, not an exposure-response or dose-response function.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 23:11, 18 February 2008 (EET)}} |
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|Argumentation = | |Argumentation = | ||
| − | {{defend| | + | {{defend|1|The emissions variable contains all years, but the concentration variable contains the values for 2020. Also, the scenarios are in 2020. So we must extract the 2020 values of the emissions variable.|--[[User:Alexandra Kuhn|Alexandra Kuhn]] 09:59, 21 February 2008 (EET)}} |
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| − | | | + | |Statements= Bus technology variable is "current" and the assessment has its scenarios in 2020. |
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|Argumentation = | |Argumentation = | ||
| − | {{defend| | + | {{defend|1|It is good to have the "current" technology because we assume that the technolgoy and the bus fleet do not change from 1997 to 2020.|--[[User:Alexandra Kuhn|Alexandra Kuhn]] 10:02, 21 February 2008 (EET)}} |
| − | {{attack| | + | {{attack|2|The version "current" changes all the time. How to know to which time to refer to?|--[[User:Alexandra Kuhn|Alexandra Kuhn]] 10:02, 21 February 2008 (EET)}} |
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| − | == Add "total concentration" as supplementary data to the diagram. ("constant node" in Analytica | + | == Add "total concentration" as supplementary data to the diagram. ("constant node" in Analytica) == |
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| − | | | + | |Statements= Add "total concentration" as supplementary data to the diagram. ("constant node" in Analytica) |
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|Argumentation = | |Argumentation = | ||
| − | {{defend| | + | {{defend|1|The total primary PM <sub>2.5</sub> concentration is not only related to the bus emissions so it is not a variable, but the measured data are used to calculate the contribution of the busses (source apportionment) so they are important to know.|--[[User:Alexandra Kuhn|Alexandra Kuhn]] 13:29, 21 February 2008 (EET)}} |
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| + | |Statements= The results and information used to derive them (data, formula) for each scenario should be contained in a variable. | ||
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| + | {{defend|1|The assessment process is not transparent without such information. |--[[User:Miranda|Miranda]] 13:19, 22 February 2008 (EET)}} | ||
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| + | |Statements= Assumptions should be explicitly included as a sub-attribute in assessments and variables. | ||
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| + | {{defend|1|By explicitly putting assumptions in assessments and variables, the creators and users are forced to think about them. This is a very important part of any assessment/analysis/model. This also allows for a more transparent process.|--[[User:Miranda|Miranda]] 13:19, 22 February 2008 (EET)}} | ||
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Latest revision as of 13:22, 16 November 2009
Contents
- 1 Excluded variables
- 2 We need to take account of that the emissions variable is per year and the concenctration variable is in 2020
- 3 Bus technology variable is "current" and the assessment has its scenarios in 2020.
- 4 Add "total concentration" as supplementary data to the diagram. ("constant node" in Analytica)
Excluded variables
Statements: The following variables should not be included in the assessment
Resolution: Accepted. (A stable resolution, when found, should be updated to the main page.) |
| Argumentation:
←1: For A, B, C: We are not interested in non-bus-derived emissions. --Jouni 23:11, 18 February 2008 (EET) |
We need to take account of that the emissions variable is per year and the concenctration variable is in 2020
| Statements: We need to take account of that the emissions variable is per year and the concenctration variable is in 2020.
Resolution: Resolution not yet found. (A stable resolution, when found, should be updated to the main page.) |
| Argumentation:
←1: The emissions variable contains all years, but the concentration variable contains the values for 2020. Also, the scenarios are in 2020. So we must extract the 2020 values of the emissions variable. --Alexandra Kuhn 09:59, 21 February 2008 (EET) |
Bus technology variable is "current" and the assessment has its scenarios in 2020.
| Statements: Bus technology variable is "current" and the assessment has its scenarios in 2020.
Resolution: Resolution not yet found. (A stable resolution, when found, should be updated to the main page.) |
| Argumentation:
←1: It is good to have the "current" technology because we assume that the technolgoy and the bus fleet do not change from 1997 to 2020. --Alexandra Kuhn 10:02, 21 February 2008 (EET) ⇤2: The version "current" changes all the time. How to know to which time to refer to? --Alexandra Kuhn 10:02, 21 February 2008 (EET) |
Add "total concentration" as supplementary data to the diagram. ("constant node" in Analytica)
| Statements: Add "total concentration" as supplementary data to the diagram. ("constant node" in Analytica)
Resolution: Resolution not yet found. (A stable resolution, when found, should be updated to the main page.) |
| Argumentation:
←1: The total primary PM 2.5 concentration is not only related to the bus emissions so it is not a variable, but the measured data are used to calculate the contribution of the busses (source apportionment) so they are important to know. --Alexandra Kuhn 13:29, 21 February 2008 (EET) |
| Statements: The results and information used to derive them (data, formula) for each scenario should be contained in a variable.
Resolution: Resolution not yet found. (A stable resolution, when found, should be updated to the main page.) |
| Argumentation:
←1: The assessment process is not transparent without such information. --Miranda 13:19, 22 February 2008 (EET) |
| Statements: Assumptions should be explicitly included as a sub-attribute in assessments and variables.
Resolution: Resolution not yet found. (A stable resolution, when found, should be updated to the main page.) |
| Argumentation:
←1: By explicitly putting assumptions in assessments and variables, the creators and users are forced to think about them. This is a very important part of any assessment/analysis/model. This also allows for a more transparent process. --Miranda 13:19, 22 February 2008 (EET) |
