Talk:Scoping an assessment
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-- Jouni 23:00, 24 January 2008 (EET)
Do we need a functionality in the scoping diagram tool to create other charts than causal diagrams?
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- ←#2: : In terms of issue-framing (in your table) I strongly believe graphical as well as textual methods are important here: i.e. I would see a much more natural link between issue-framing and scoping. In both cases the toolbox should thus provide graphical methods (not just text). Ultimately, as you indicate, this should take the form of a 'causal diagram', but on the way to that it is often helpful to develop mind-maps or systems diagrams (neither are the same as causal diagrams) to help in the process of agreeing what the issue is and how to define it. --David Briggs 26 June 2007 (EEST)
- ←#4: : Causal diagram: for me this is a very specific beast, with very explicit rules. As such it is very useful to represent ideas once they are thought out. The difficulty is in using it to do the initial thinking, both because it may limit people's way of thinking about the problem and, because causal diagrams are very technical things if applied rigorously, may limit people's ability to be involved and unbalance their powers of expression. That is why in the early phases of the process, it is vital to have available more flexible and intuitive tools. Mind maps (and other 'social science' methods) are likely to be important in this context.
On the basis of these principles, my argument is simply that we should (if we can) provide help and guidance in the more informal part of the process of issue-framing. No doubt in many cases, this could be done on the stakeholder's own pc (more often, it's likely to be done on a flip-chart or blackboard!) in a group context. But I could imagine that a simple window, where people could draw up mindmaps by inserting elements and defining what relates to what in a very loose way, would be helpful. --David Briggs 27 June 2007 (EEST)
- ←#4: : Causal diagram: for me this is a very specific beast, with very explicit rules. As such it is very useful to represent ideas once they are thought out. The difficulty is in using it to do the initial thinking, both because it may limit people's way of thinking about the problem and, because causal diagrams are very technical things if applied rigorously, may limit people's ability to be involved and unbalance their powers of expression. That is why in the early phases of the process, it is vital to have available more flexible and intuitive tools. Mind maps (and other 'social science' methods) are likely to be important in this context.
- ⇤#5: : I see David's point (#4) here in offering tools for unformal contributions. This is important. However, I also agree with Alex (#3) that we should encourage people to use causal diagram tools to help them gear their thinking into the right direction. Mind maps are problematic in this sense: I have tried to make causal diagrams out of them, and basically you have to start from scratch. My suggestion is that in addition to causal diagram tools, we offer only a very simple tool for the users: a possibility to upload images (graphs, mindmaps, digiphotos of flipcharts or whatever they have produced with their own tools). This way, we don't limit contributions, but the only real tool is based on causal diagrams. I'll vote for statement B. --Jouni 01:05, 29 June 2007 (EEST)
What exactly is the difference between a flow chart and a causal diagram?
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