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'''Resolution:''' {{#if:{{{Resolution|}}}|'''{{{Resolution}}}'''[[Category:Closed discussions]]|Resolution not yet found.[[category:Open discussions]]}}
 
'''Resolution:''' {{#if:{{{Resolution|}}}|'''{{{Resolution}}}'''[[Category:Closed discussions]]|Resolution not yet found.[[category:Open discussions]]}}
 
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<noinclude>The template is in transition phase. The '''Dispute''' is now called '''Statements''' and '''Outcome''' is called '''Resolution'''. All of these are valid arguments for the template to prevent problems. The discussions have now rather systematically been updated so that they only contain Statements and Resolution, so these should be used as the main parameters. If Resolution is missing, then the text should say: "Resolution not yet found", and then it is categorised to [[:Category:Open discussions]].
 
<noinclude>The template is in transition phase. The '''Dispute''' is now called '''Statements''' and '''Outcome''' is called '''Resolution'''. All of these are valid arguments for the template to prevent problems. The discussions have now rather systematically been updated so that they only contain Statements and Resolution, so these should be used as the main parameters. If Resolution is missing, then the text should say: "Resolution not yet found", and then it is categorised to [[:Category:Open discussions]].
  
{{attack|1|I have doubts about Resolution being better than Outcome. Do we want to separate between closed discussions (dispute not resolved, but the current outcome is included in the information object); and resolved discussions (only one statement is valid after the discussion)? We must think about this. (|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)}}
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|Statements= Resolution is the word for the outcome of a discussion.
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|Resolution= Accepted.
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{{attack_invalid|1|I have doubts about Resolution being better than Outcome. Do we want to separate between closed discussions (dispute not resolved, but the current outcome is included in the information object); and resolved discussions (only one statement is valid after the discussion)? We must think about this. (|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)}}
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:{{attack|4 |The main reason for changing outcome to resolution is that outcome can be outcome of anything (a model, calulation, a study), but resolution is specifically the outcome of a discussion. In this context, the word resolution does not tell anything about the status of the discussion (ongoing, resolved etc.)|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 16:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)}}
 
:{{defend|2 |Outcome could be the outcome of discussion, either "Accepted", "Not accepted", or something more complex. Resolution could be "Yes" or empty, yes meaning that only one statement is valid and resolution was found. So, we need two parameters to reflect the outcome well. This way, we could have three categories: open, closed, and resolved discussions.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)}}
 
:{{defend|2 |Outcome could be the outcome of discussion, either "Accepted", "Not accepted", or something more complex. Resolution could be "Yes" or empty, yes meaning that only one statement is valid and resolution was found. So, we need two parameters to reflect the outcome well. This way, we could have three categories: open, closed, and resolved discussions.|--[[User:Jouni|Jouni]] 07:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)}}
 
:{{comment|3 |So we should have Outcome and Resolution?|--[[User:Juha Villman|Juha Villman]] 08:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)}}
 
:{{comment|3 |So we should have Outcome and Resolution?|--[[User:Juha Villman|Juha Villman]] 08:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)}}
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Revision as of 16:17, 3 January 2010

How to read discussions

Statements:

Resolution: Resolution not yet found.

Argumentation:


The template is in transition phase. The Dispute is now called Statements and Outcome is called Resolution. All of these are valid arguments for the template to prevent problems. The discussions have now rather systematically been updated so that they only contain Statements and Resolution, so these should be used as the main parameters. If Resolution is missing, then the text should say: "Resolution not yet found", and then it is categorised to Category:Open discussions.

How to read discussions

Statements: Resolution is the word for the outcome of a discussion.

Resolution: Accepted.

(A stable resolution, when found, should be updated to the main page.)

Argumentation:

1 I have doubts about Resolution being better than Outcome. Do we want to separate between closed discussions (dispute not resolved, but the current outcome is included in the information object); and resolved discussions (only one statement is valid after the discussion)? We must think about this. ( --Jouni 07:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

4 : The main reason for changing outcome to resolution is that outcome can be outcome of anything (a model, calulation, a study), but resolution is specifically the outcome of a discussion. In this context, the word resolution does not tell anything about the status of the discussion (ongoing, resolved etc.) --Jouni 16:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
2 : Outcome could be the outcome of discussion, either "Accepted", "Not accepted", or something more complex. Resolution could be "Yes" or empty, yes meaning that only one statement is valid and resolution was found. So, we need two parameters to reflect the outcome well. This way, we could have three categories: open, closed, and resolved discussions. --Jouni 07:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
--3 : So we should have Outcome and Resolution? --Juha Villman 08:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)